cybersqydcybersqyd 23 Nov 2019, 20:59

Hmm. There's something about this which just, doesn't quite click for me? Iunno if it's just that I don't know enough Norse mythology to quite get what is happening here; or if there's just, not enough here for me to really dig this but it feels, lacking?

うーん。これに関してあまりピンとこないところがちょっとあります。これは私が北欧神話を十分知らないからここで何が起こっているのかよく分からないだけなのか、それとも###b01|これを理解するのに情報が足りない感じで十分じゃないだけなのか##。

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TheMightyMcBTheMightyMcB 25 Nov 2019, 05:57

In short, Thor is notorious for basically being the primary adversary of the Jötunnこの記事で. He murders a lot of Jötunn and is commonly attributed as the only thing keeping the Aesir gods "safe" from them. Lots of stories involve Thor mercilessly slaughtering large numbers of Jötunn, such as massacring everybody in attendance at the marriage of Þrymr, the king of the Jötunn, because Þrymr stole Thor's hammer.

要は、トールは基本ヨツンの第一の敵として悪名高いわけです。彼は多くのヨツンを殺し、一般的に彼らからアースの神々を"守る"唯一のものだと考えられています。ヨツンの王であるスリュムがトールのハンマーを盗んだためにスリュムの結婚式に出席した全員を虐殺したように、多くの物語でトールはたくさんのヨツンを殺戮しました。

The fridge logic at play here is that Thor slaughtered a family of Jötunn simply for being Jötunn, and he did so in horrific ways, such as bashing a little girl's face in, performing the blood eagle on a young boy, or frying them with his electricity powers. Basically, Thor is a bad fucking dude in the context of this article and that's the main point.

ここで出ているロジックは、トールがヨツンの家族を単純な理由、ヨツンであるという理由で虐殺し、恐ろしいことをしたということです。少女の顔をぶん殴るだとか、少年に血のワシを施すだとか、彼らを自分の電気の力で処刑するだとか。基本、トールはこの記事の文脈では悪いクソ野郎で、それが要点です。

DrslexionDrslexion 25 Nov 2019, 08:01

McB is right here. This would be like in Mulan where they find the town burned to the ground and they focus on the doll. It’s to show that Thor is a soulless killer.

McBは正しいです。これは全焼した村を見つけ人形に注目するムーラン(注: ディズニー映画「ムーラン」には鷹が少女の人形を持ってきたことからその少女の村と軍の全滅を悟るシーンがある。)のようなものにするつもりです。トールは感情のない殺戮者となるでしょう。

cybersqydcybersqyd 25 Nov 2019, 17:10

Yeah; it doesn't seem like I was missing much here, so I think I just personally don't really dig the coldness/brevity with which this is presented. Like, the article doesn't really give time for me to relate to any of the characters in it because they aren't characters; so it ends up trying to carry the whole piece on shock and it feels, a little flat for me. Possibly I just associate Thor too much with Marvel Thor for me to really manage to process this as horrific as it actually is?

なるほど。私がここで多くを見落としていたようには思えないので、私が提示された冷酷さや簡潔さを個人的に理解できていなかっただけだと思います。

The implied threat of retaliation in the final note feels like it rings a little hollow for me too cos there's the implication that none of the events happened recently. So there's no immediacy to the whole "hey mankind, the Aesir suck. We're gonna fuck them up." thing; and I don't really have a feel for the stakes here.

This all said: clearly the piece does resonate with a lot of people so feel free to not make any changes :3